> ## Content Index > Fetch the complete content index at: https://chuckwired.com/llms.txt > Use this file to discover other available public pages before exploring further. # DoDT 12: Do designers need to draw, stuck in Senior and Lead positions, and when stakeholders disagree - URL: https://chuckwired.com/do-designers-need-to-draw-stuck-in-senior-and-lead-positions-and-when-stakeholders-disagree/ - Published: 2023-02-23T11:59:00.000Z - Updated: 2023-07-23T19:37:43.000Z - Author: Chuck Rice - Tags: Community ### Show notes for episode 12 of the [Diary of Design Thinking](https://chk.fyi/DoDT?ref=chuckwired.com) by [Simon Hoang](https://simonhoang.com/?ref=chuckwired.com), co-hosted by [Chuck Rice](https://chuckwired.com/). > *Seriously, how* ****do** *you get to Principal or Head of..?* Whether you’re struggling to reach Senior level, or spinning your wheels pushing to Lead and beyond, it genuinely takes some hustling and some luck to do it. We cover the trials you’ll encounter on your journey getting there, share some advice on leading your team through it, and tips on getting decisions made on your projects. Oh, and a little first-aid for dogs. > *Listen now on* [*Spotify*](https://open.spotify.com/episode/1JwDBULPVhmHaEos2khhSx?si=2adffe38b51648f0&ref=chuckwired.com) *and* [*Apple Podcasts*](https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/12-do-designers-need-to-draw-stuck-in-senior-and-lead/id1591942759?i=1000601347394&ref=chuckwired.com)*.* ### What we discussed - 0:02:20 — Types of designers: visual, operational, and discovery - 0:06:20 — Dealing with being perceived as an artist - 0:13:00 — The non-visual side of designing great products - 0:18:30 — Getting non-designer team mates to use FigJam, Miro, or Lucid - 0:23:40 — Our first few weeks at our new jobs - 0:26:30 — First-aid and CPR for dogs - 0:30:00 — What’s it like to be promoted, and how do you earn it? - 0:40:00 — How to progress to Lead positions and above - 0:48:40 — Do you need a title in order to lead? - 0:50:00 — Leaders who are younger than yourself - 0:55:00 — Growing into your first leadership role - 1:03:00 — Uno makes a cameo and wants a cuddle - 1:03:35 — Delegating work to a team mate - 1:08:32 — When stakeholders disagree with each other - 1:13:10 — Convincing others to use a Design Sprint - 1:21:00 — A data-driven approach to decision making - 1:23:52 —How do break out of decisions going in circles? - 1:26:40 — What about when projects or decision making is too slow? > *You can drop questions, messages, or connection requests to* [*Simon’s LinkedIn*](https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonhoang23/?ref=chuckwired.com) *or* [*Chuck’s LinkedIn*](https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuckwired/?ref=chuckwired.com)*.* ### Resources Articles, books, and links to what we discussed—don’t worry, there’s no affiliate links here. - [Surround yourself with positivity for better UX](https://bootcamp.uxdesign.cc/surround-yourself-with-positivity-for-a-better-ux-cd0234fd5739?ref=chuckwired.com) by [Simon Hoang](https://medium.com/u/e1091266d94?ref=chuckwired.com) - [Radical Candour](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Radical-Candor-Revised-Updated-Saying/dp/1529038340/ref=sr%5F1%5F1?keywords=radical+candor&qid=1677183781&sprefix=radical+can%2Caps%2C91&sr=8-1&ref=chuckwired.com) by [Kim Scott](https://medium.com/u/f302f1eb7108?ref=chuckwired.com) - [Making of a Manager](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Making-Manager-What-Everyone-Looks/dp/0753552892/ref=sr%5F1%5F1?crid=3O5CPATKCRJJ3&keywords=making+of+a+manager&qid=1677183698&sprefix=making+of+a+manage%2Caps%2C97&sr=8-1&ref=chuckwired.com) by [Julie Zhuo](https://medium.com/u/b8a4e5ae7490?ref=chuckwired.com) - [Sprint](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sprint-Solve-Problems-Test-Ideas/dp/0593076117/ref=sr%5F1%5F1?crid=KYOLEFNVPNV&keywords=sprint&qid=1677183654&sprefix=sprint%2Caps%2C100&sr=8-1&ref=chuckwired.com) by [Jake Knapp](https://medium.com/u/f230699aec44?ref=chuckwired.com) and [John Zeratsky](https://medium.com/u/ed1df3d97a1b?ref=chuckwired.com) - [Inspired](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Inspired-Create-Tech-Products-Customers/dp/1119387507/?%5Fencoding=UTF8&pd%5Frd%5Fw=NBJ2m&content-id=amzn1.sym.ef3907ff-f91d-4263-9e4a-2471c52bf60e&pf%5Frd%5Fp=ef3907ff-f91d-4263-9e4a-2471c52bf60e&pf%5Frd%5Fr=N6VK2ZD5YFJFAM82AT7C&pd%5Frd%5Fwg=2VSNe&pd%5Frd%5Fr=74900046-b1ed-47b7-a994-077c2313ae46&ref%5F=pd%5Fgw%5Fci%5Fmcx%5Fmr%5Fhp%5Fatf%5Fm&ref=chuckwired.com) by Marty Cagan - [Obstacle is the Way](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Obstacle-Way-Ancient-Adversity-Advantage/dp/1781251495/ref=sr%5F1%5F1?crid=1XA85UPNXQHF5&keywords=obstacle+is+the+way&qid=1677183862&s=books&sprefix=obstacle+is+the+way%2Cstripbooks%2C78&sr=1-1&ref=chuckwired.com), and [Ego is the Enemy](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ego-Enemy-Master-Greatest-Opponent/dp/1781257027/ref=sr%5F1%5F1?crid=43CTN4GZXM4E&keywords=ego+is+the+enemy&qid=1677183878&s=books&sprefix=ego+is+the+enemy%2Cstripbooks%2C82&sr=1-1&ref=chuckwired.com), by [Ryan Holiday](https://medium.com/u/2e2701ae378f?ref=chuckwired.com) I absolutely recommend you check out these authors and the work they’ve done since. 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